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  • Shadetree
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    Trans out, now what?

    Hey everyone,

    While waiting on my new thrust washers I decided to pull the transmission to confirm my shifter fork bolt was intact. I already had the interior pulled out of the car so I figured I would go for it.

    Bolt is fine.

    So what should I replace while I'm there? New throw out bearing? Current one feels just a bit rough. If I replace it, is there a brand or type I should go with?

    And is there a way to check the clutch plates to see if they need replacement without pulling the pressure plate off and everything apart? How do I determine if the clutch needs to be replaced, and if it does what to do you recommend I get?

    And when I put it back together what type of grease should I use on the fork and bearing?

    Thanks,
    T

  • tr250
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    Originally posted by L.O. Guvna View Post
    Lou, Ken - great to see you, as always, the ultimate and consistent support here. I know shadetree is happy to have you, Baws, and in this case, the works gearbox team helping him or her along the way. I just realized shadetree has a Ford 8N tractor, which I learned to drive on with my grandfather sitting behind me on the seat. I loved that tractor.

    i'll try to get back in the saddle. i'm just so distracted with work. other cars, daughter in her final year in undergrad, prepping for med school. so proud. yardfull of cars - the 88 ford escort hot hatch project, 80 CJ5 sitting. my 99 tahoe, daily driver, and the school car, in the garage, stuff sitting in the seats and on the luggage rack, waiting fo rme to pass so that wayne carini can come pop the garage door for his garage find. so sad. paint is ****, but runs like a raped ape. missed the trials, and dripping springs. so unattached to this community.

    enough of the wax - continue the good work. i'm not gone, just distracted.

    cheers,

    LOG
    They make more TRials so never fear! Heck I might even go to Galena?!?!

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  • L.O. Guvna
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    Lou, Ken - great to see you, as always, the ultimate and consistent support here. I know shadetree is happy to have you, Baws, and in this case, the works gearbox team helping him or her along the way. I just realized shadetree has a Ford 8N tractor, which I learned to drive on with my grandfather sitting behind me on the seat. I loved that tractor.

    i'll try to get back in the saddle. i'm just so distracted with work. other cars, daughter in her final year in undergrad, prepping for med school. so proud. yardfull of cars - the 88 ford escort hot hatch project, 80 CJ5 sitting. my 99 tahoe, daily driver, and the school car, in the garage, stuff sitting in the seats and on the luggage rack, waiting fo rme to pass so that wayne carini can come pop the garage door for his garage find. so sad. paint is ****, but runs like a raped ape. missed the trials, and dripping springs. so unattached to this community.

    enough of the wax - continue the good work. i'm not gone, just distracted.

    cheers,

    LOG

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  • Shadetree
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    Thank you L.O. Guvna - I got started on putting things back together this evening. I got the new clutch plates in and the pressure plate. I will check the gearbox and that pinhole you're describing first thing tomorrow.

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  • lfmTR4
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    Chris! Where and how the heck have you been?

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  • poolboy
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    Howdy, Chris !

  • L.O. Guvna
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    ello - first post in a while. feels good to throw some comments out there on a saturday morning with coffee.

    after several clutch jobs on the school car, my debby downer position on gearbox and clutch work is - let someone else do it. over the years, there is a confusing amount of configurations - to me, anyway. some love KOYO, some hate it. i hope there is improvement here, for the sake of owners, to get in, replace, refresh, and put the gearbox back in. and somehow get more than 30-60K of mileage on that clutch. from 2000 until 2016? i had 3 clutch jobs, and maybe 15K of mileage. most of that was my fault, but from pilot bearing to lining up the bellhousing.....i mean, its wizardry, and it shouldn't be.

    as i dust off my old brain, I'll remind shadetree and the audience to inspect the top cover of your gearbox - the cover over the linkage. top left should be a tiny pin hole - and it should be open, not filled with anything. its a breather hole, and it helps with gearbox pressure, and gearbox leaking.

    cheers - hope everyone had a good trip to St Louis

    LOG

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  • Philstr6
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    one thing to add,when you surface the flywheel have them step the flywheel .008
    Phil

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  • tr250
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    Can’t blame you there. Get that sucker out & drive it like you stole it! I’m sure our club will be doing a polar bear run. There’s usually a time when the rain washes the salt off.

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  • Shadetree
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    Originally posted by dicta View Post

    Something is/was really out if you found the clutch disk to be installed backwards. The clutch disk bosses won't fit into the opening in the flywheel if backwards. (Unless someone seriously modified the flywheel)

    Dick
    I'm amazed as well. At this point there's not a lot that will surprise me.

    And tr250 I luckily don't have any rear seal leakage at this point. I like the idea of resurfacing the flywheel and shaving some weight off of it, but at this point my wallet is completely empty. I'm trying desperately to get this thing back on the road for the last few weeks of driving here in the mountains before we get our first snow and they start salting the roads. Might have to save that part of the project for another time.

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  • dicta
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    Originally posted by Shadetree View Post

    I discovered that the clutch disc was installed backwards - the side that is marked flywheel side was flipped. Not sure how much that matters. And I discovered that all of the alignment pins we're gone.

    Considering that the slave cylinder was installed on the wrong side and the previous owner had changed the few other things, nothing is surprising me.

    I've got a whole new set of alignment pins on order. I hope to reinstall the clutch on Sunday. I'll let you know how it goes.
    Something is/was really out if you found the clutch disk to be installed backwards. The clutch disk bosses won't fit into the opening in the flywheel if backwards. (Unless someone seriously modified the flywheel)

    Dick

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  • tr250
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    Any leaks at the back of the engine. Since you have the pan off, might be a good time to do the rear main seal. Pop the flywheel & engine plate off and you have easy access.

    You could also have the flywheel balanced w the clutch. Maybe even lighten it. They’re 28lbs. You can safely shed about 6 pounds off the back side. The engine will spin up faster. You don’t gain HP you just get the available HP quicker.

    My 2 cents

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  • Shadetree
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    Originally posted by Mike K View Post
    I used a simple rolled pin on the fork after drilling it out on that flat. It’s held up for twenty years.

    I also always reface the flywheel by bringing it to the local machine shop. Worth the extra effort to prevent clutch judder IMHO.

    And make certain you have those trans alignment pins in the proper spot where the enlarged holes are in the bell housing.
    I discovered that the clutch disc was installed backwards - the side that is marked flywheel side was flipped. Not sure how much that matters. And I discovered that all of the alignment pins we're gone.

    Considering that the slave cylinder was installed on the wrong side and the previous owner had changed the few other things, nothing is surprising me.

    I've got a whole new set of alignment pins on order. I hope to reinstall the clutch on Sunday. I'll let you know how it goes.

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  • Mike K
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    I used a simple rolled pin on the fork after drilling it out on that flat. It’s held up for twenty years.

    I also always reface the flywheel by bringing it to the local machine shop. Worth the extra effort to prevent clutch judder IMHO.

    And make certain you have those trans alignment pins in the proper spot where the enlarged holes are in the bell housing.

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  • baws
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    As I recall, we just put in a new stock style bolt, tightened it against the shaft and safety wired it. Then drilled into the shaft for the additional hex head bolt.

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